What Players are saying about The
Angel Island Proposal

Hello I Hate PKERS they SUCK!!!!
However, I feel strongly that Pkers add a major part to UO. It is very important that there is a place like this for them that would allow some fun experinces for them. (grumbles under his breath)
Angel Island is an extrodinary Idea and sounds like a lot of fun as well.
besides I think it would be cool to get something back from the person who killed me. ( thier hard work )

Only one thing I dont like .... The name.
sounds like a place for Paladins or something.

Maximus
Napa Valley

Don't know if I count as anything, but if this became true, I would come back to UO.

I don't PK and have never really been involved in a lot of PvP, but I think your idea is one of the most balanced and well thought out. I agree that murderers should have penalties. I also think there penalties should be given to them in a role played atmosphere like angel island.

I belive this is a great idea and see no reason why it could be disliked by any group. It would give murderers the chance to actualy play and the ideas of working and giving the money made from working to your "victims" would be liked by the "victims" I am sure. Maybe getting pked isn't a big deal and more people would want to do it. haha Great idea keep the inventive wheels rolling.

Your idea is incredible. I also have an idea for making good money... Run items to Angel Island. I got a boat. I can float up there, use Cartography skill, or whatever to figure out when the tide is, dock up there, hop off and have a little chat with the prisoners. Of course, if I am killed, I will not return, but if they behave, I would set myself up as the supplier of goods, kind of like a gun-runner or drug dealer. :)

Of course, the monsters and low tide would make it a very dangerous proposition. What is your idea for item retention? I guess since they just died they won't have much on them, so maybe gun-running won't be very profitable. We shall see.

As much as I think your idea is BRILLIANT, I strongly doubt it will ever happen. Sadly, OSI has a long history of ignoring the ideas of the players in lieu of catering to the newbie masses. Since most newbies are not PKers, it would not benefit them to have an "Angel Island". I would bet money that OSI rejects this because it would require too much work. Bah. Too much work my left foot.

Anyway, I wish you and your idea the best of luck in this endeavor. 

You have the support of <snip> and my brother <snip>, for what it's worth.

Hail ,while never having been a murderer, I have enjoyed many an hour watching my son's character wreak havoc on cats. I play on LS and my name is <snip>. UO would be a dull game without the reds. I've played for over 2 yrs and my heart still pounds when I see the red name appear on screen.

I greatly enjoy your tales of roleplaying pking. Quite a refreshing combination. I am primarily a <gasp> rp'ing pvm'er. However, I do not wish to see your ilk die out, and as such I am an angel island supporter.

I must disagree with ye on a crucial issue sir. The lich is not to be protected. I will hunt his evil kind to the ends of the earth. My reasons for this I must keep to myself. If ye wishes to take this issue up with me, I can be found on GL, frequently at the city of the dead in t2a. <grins>

Once again, thank you for the entertainment your tales provide.

You know I back you all the way. I give full support and hope that this excellent idea of yours gets passed. The PK community thanks you.

Sounds Like the best thing i heard in 2 yrs

excellent idea....i have been red twice but never in stat loss....very intersting.....i like the idea of the prison and the epic nature of the possible escape....i am <snip> Grandmaster Badass....Baja shard....if this is ever implemented (fat chance, right?) i may go over 5 kills jsut to try my hand at prison escape

Wow that sounds awesome if OSI would ever bother to do it...

Actually allows reds to PLAY THE GAME, but still keeps them from harrassing non-PvPers while they have a high murder count. I especially like the proceeds of work detail going to the PKs' victims (get killed by a PK, lose a bunch of stuff, find an extra 200gp in your bank every day for the next month? Yipee!)

I love it. My only comment is anyone coming to the island should be stripped of all possessions they are carrying to prevent rampand smuggling.

Everyone there should start with a death robe and nothing more. Any possessions above and beyond that should be earned the hard way. Just a thought. Great idea though.

ive been following your stories at battlevortex for a while and i like them a lot. pls keep up the work. pls include me as a supporter.

I think your idea kicks ass.

Hi, I like your idea, I`m no pk myself, but I always felt it being unfair that your char would be destroyed after you got killed, I hope your idea gets realised.

Hi hon...i am in no way a PK but i do know many.
I strongly support this idea....
I am <snip> on the Baja shard =] 
I hope to see this in development in the near future =] 

hi my name is <snip> and angel island sounds like a kewl place hehe i support it

Man, great idea! This is one of those things you dream up while your at work and cant stop thinkin about UO. I have a ton of ideas like that. Im glad you had the drive to atleast attempt to make it real.

I support angel island because reds have a place in UO, I my self have never played a red, because I prefer to fight evil, plus major bad connection makes pvp hard. I have played pacific for about 1.5 years, and recently (about a month ago) I moved to siege perilous, and there is no stat loss, and you know what it is a better shard than pac becuase of the organizing of the reds, and how it really makes a good versus evil sequence, but on easier shards there must be a balance becuase how easy it is to make characters on other shards versus Siege, angel island is the best idea to come forth, the only other plan I think would limit the amount of chars like on siege where one would have to chose either blue or red, and then if they want more, they must purchase another account. well off my soap box. 

I think this is a great idea. I hope it is added to the game.

This is a great idea.  Maybe OSI will accually do something smart for a change and implement it...  Great job though.

Greetings......This is a great idea........I have posted before on the Development boards.....that UO needs more FUN!
And I think this Angles Island, would be a good and fun idea........

My UO Name is <snip> and i play on Cats. I am not a pk, and do not have one on my account. I don't really like them at all. But the thought of bringing a reality to them seems more appealing and more acceptible having them around if i know that they will go poof to Angel Isl. :) thanks for pushing this idea, i love it.

Hey, Sounds, Much more creative then stat-loss.

Great stuff, Adam! I hope it goes through!

My name is <snip>. I am a former play of UO but have read through your proposal and like what I saw. You my add me to your list of supporters if you like.

Right on man, even thieves know murderer's are an important part of the game. Add me to the list my man.

adam, Hey, let me say i love this idea sooo much... I quit uo a while back because my main went red and then that damn precasting patch.. if they patched something like this i would come back!!!!

hi i feel this is a good idea (and cuz i got 15 kills and im dead)

I think this is a grand idea to replace stat loss. One suggestion would be to give the murderer a choice: Take stat loss (as it currently stands) or go to Angel Island. The escape cave from Angel Island should be a stat loss area, though... Escape should be something not undertaken lightly. Also, ghosts should be unable to start any escape process (but I'm sure you thought of that already.)

GREAT IDEA AND WELL THOUGHT OUT!!! I would love to see this put in to effect

Sounds like a great idea! dunno bout the high tide low tide thing but overall great!

Kick butt idea, I love it kind of an Alcatraz type theme......

Hope they listen,

Please add me to the supporting group.
I will be posting your link to the MT board in hopes of gaining further
support. A very inventive proposal. Best of luck

Love yer idea. But OSI probably wont listen to it (like they ever listened to this side of their players)

My guild, <snip>, an evil roleplaying guild and PvP guild which promotes general 
fun, evil and honour in Ultima Online, supports the Angel Island program to the fullest and will 
be displaying the ribbon on our page in the next few days.

I especially like the idea of the ability to rescue!

Hey man,
I no longer PK myself but I feel its a cool idea. I think no blues should be allowed though, once you get there its up to the murderers to get along. Of course we all know often times they do anyways. Overall thoguh I support it as is. Cool idea man, good luck. 

P.S. Maybe I'll pick up PKing again hehe.

Greetings

I must admit although I have never been into PvP and have NEVER been a PK I am totally for this idea.. I feel that reds (murderers) belong in the game.. murderers are in real life why not in virtual life too? okay with that said I have to say I am in full agreeance with this proposal and will stand by when OSI tries to knock it out of the water

P.S. on Napa I've even tried to stop by wind in my red scarf just to see you and say hi :)

lotsa luck on your proposal.. I'm behind it 110% :)

hey just wanted to say i love the angel island idea and if there is anything i can do to help let me know.

hey there Adam. My name's <snip>, and I'm a player on LS. I've read quit a bit of stuff you've written, the latest being your posts on pk-hq
about Angel Island, and I think its a great, well thought-out idea, so please add my name to the list of supporting members. Hell, I'm not even
a pk and I like the idea, but i'm considering going red and have pk'd quite a bit in other rpg's, and find OSI's current obsession with eliminating reds absolutely ridiculous. Good luck with getting somewhere with this!

that sounds good, i support it
it may even make the game fun again
:)

Hail Adam. My name is <snip> and I play on Great Lakes. I am not a pk, but I have an assassin character that will be someday after more training. I support your idea of Angel Island. Even though I am not a pk, I think that the stat loss is wrong. Everyone knows how boring and ridicious building stats. Your idea for a prison island is a great idea. Good luck in your campaign.

Sounds like a good idea, I think it would actually be fun to be on angel island and trying to escape before your sentance is over.

I SUPPORT ANGEL ISLAND!

this is the best thing since sliced bread! have any osi employees contacted you regarding this ? I'd love to hear of any progress.

This is a brilliant Idea. Wish you were
programming the game. Without some random PvP alot of entertainment value
is lost.

I think its a great idea. After all Roleplaying is the style of game.

I Support Angel Island and whats more, i applaud you for the concept. Its things like that that keep the game "fresh", and there's a severe lack of interesting roleplaying scenarios lately with the clientele being largely composed of "wassup"ers who just wanna "huh huh, fight, huh, n' stuff!"... Angel Island will not only make PKing more interesting, but add a whole new arena for gameplay with very little effort; it will also be a roleplaying oasis, I imagine.

My main UO character name is <snip>, a sort of hybrid assassin (she uses poisoned blades, but hasnt got the poisoning skill), and I play the Atlantic shard.

Your stories are both illuminating and VASTLY entertaining... keep up the great work, and thanks!

I really like and love the idea of Angel Island. It is an excellent oppurtunity for pk'ers to still be able to role-play without ever having to worry about stat-loss. Once you are in stat-loss it's so hard to regain your skills. Because you have to dedicate more time then needed for your chars.  

I'm currently trying to work on 2 other chars, besides trying to maintain my Pk. I like to role-play in this game as well as my brother.

Thank you for such a wonderful proposal. I hope everything sees through and that this proposal may actually become reality.

You have total support by me, <snip>, and my brother, <snip>, we are of the Napa Valley Shard.

I feel that your proposal will bring the fun back into the game...I personally am looking forward to escaping from this damned stat loss and getting back to playing the game and having fun.

Man what a great idea, my two main chars are red, one of which is perma with like 60 kills and my funnest char, and now he sits and rots because i can't res him. And it would take months to get of the kills. Your idea rules. I support you.

It is difficult for me to say this, but I support Angel Island. Just to let you know a little something about myself, I am a rper-pvmer. Thought I am known to break character and engage in pvp when the need arises. I come from a guild who believes in 'neutrality'. While we do not condone reds or pks, we try to live at peace with them. Perhaps peace is the wrong word, but we do not hunt nor attack on sight reds and greys.

Now, I do not have any pk characters, nor do I plan to have one any time soon. But I do believe they have a place in the game as much as anyone else. Especially those that chose to rp their characters, I like how you are proving that pk doesn't mean someone can't roleplay. And this Island will merely add to the roleplaying possibilities of a pk.

My one fear of Angel Island is the possible exploits of the possibility to escape. We have all seen that UO players are dedicated, imaginative, and have ingenuity, if you give them a way out they will find it. I have once the first finds a way out, many will follow. Keeping the escape ratio to 2%-7% will be difficult for OSI to implement. But with time, I believe a resolution can be found. But if only phase I is implemented, I think that would be a good thing.

List me a supporter.....

Hi! I play the Great Lakes shard. Main char name is <snip>, and I love the Angel Island idea. I throw my full support behind you =] If you need anything just lemme know...although I dont know much about ocmputers (ie programming or anything like that) but if you need anything else I'll be here to help =]

Awesome idea mate...I'm off to post the link on my page...it's time red names are treated like somethin other than third class to be swept out the door....

 I support this 100%!! I've been a pk and pvp advocate since the game dawned in it's beta and still do to this day!

My name is <snip> I reside on Atlantic my Title is <snip>
I would like to state that this is not a GUILD opinion nesc. but it is my opinion....
I would also like to state that I am not a pk I have never been a pk I have no desire to ever be a pk and I hate pk's. But  I think the way OSI treats thieves and PK's is ridiculous. Like you said... you pay your ten bucks a month too just like everyone else. You pk's DESERVE better treatment. You help pay OSI's salary just like the rest of us and  they should work for you not against you. Angel Island is a terrific idea I am very impressed its one of the best player created ideas to come out in  awhile. Not to mention it shows your dedication to a game that obviously has it out for you but you keep playing because you love it anyway. 
I fully support your campaign and good luck...

I am not a PK but I still beleive reds deserve more than hours of solitude.

Angel Island is simply a great idea. After reading it I thought it sounded good. As a nonpk it gave me what I wanted to hear - a sense of punishment and as an rper it sounded like a good roleplay idea too. A prison environment - just the place most brigands would end up.

In short great idea. I just love it.

Great idea man, creative as hell.
I have another idea, how about every once and a while haveing a seer run event whene the prisoners riot and other players can try to hold theme back (sea and land battles) and the "inocents" get to keep bounties.
Another thing, if another pk kills one of his inmates, does he get to turn in the head to a guard for a bounty?
Nope, no bounties, murder counts or stat-loss while on the island!

I love your Idea, I've been around since the Beta, never has anyone came up with such a good idea to end the Murderer penelty problem.  I think that if OSI listens to you, they could make everyone happy.  It shouldn't be a problem to them, they made PVP- occolo a town for newbies.. they could make the pvp+ buc's den a prison for murderers.  I hope your idea goes threw.. By the way love your site <snip>

First off, I wanted to say nice job on your 'comics'(if you can even call them that).  They're very refreshing to read, and I look forward to each update that you do.

I read your proposal about Angel Island, and I wanted to say that <snip> is in full support of your proposal, and would love to be listed among the countless hordes of other people who agree :)

Third, mind if I snag the little ribbon for Angel Island, and throw it on our site?  Would love to help out in any that I can, especially with the disaster on skills etc that UO:R has brought.

Many thanks.
Sincerely Yours,
<snip>

I think this is the best pk death solution I have seen. I've never actually been a pk myself, except on test center, but I think this would present a very appealing option for reds. Also, someone in the "what people are saying" said something about OSI not doing it becuase it would be too much work, well, that would be bs because there creating this whole "newbie island" shit. I hope this gets done

wow great idea, im not a player killer persay but with out them the game is very boring, the element of danger is not there, the excitment is gone.
stat loss is unfair this is a great idea i fully support.

Hey, that is the BEST idea I have heard regarding alternatives to stat loss!! I think that while it is important that SOME kind of punishment remain for murderers ,otherwise, the game would be utter chaos in a bad way. 
Your suggestion is really great!! *cheers*

I hope this idea flies! I'm not a pk, but it would be nice to have a system like this should my warrior or mage happen to kill one too many not so innocent "innocents"!
Also, reds having to log on as ghosts and just sit there and do nothing for their $10 a month is ridiculous. If UO is going to allow killers, then they should change how murderers are handled when they die. I think this is a great idea.

think you are one of the rare players, who actually means something for the game. Instead of only playing it and complaining about it, you try to make a change and promote what you stand for. I think more players should be like that.
I have been following your adventures for a while now and I love every one of them. I myself would like to mean something for the UO community someday, but I am farily new, since im only playing the game for about 5 months now.
Anyway sorry to rant and I don't even know if you will read this mail, but I DO support Angel Island. And I also believe that if you get enough people to support you, OSI will listen.

Keep up the good work Adam 

<snip> of Drachenfels

BTW I totally agree with you that, Evil can be role-played!!!

I definately support this idea, I'm not a pvp'er myself, but it sure does sound like fun, and makes me want to become one :P. I totally agree that murderers are paying customers too (well duh!). And OSI should do SOMETHING to satisfy them! And I definately think this is a solution.
 
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(Done with quote) :P
I am <snip> of Pacific.
 
One question, I assume that you've sent this to OSI, but have they sent a worthwhile response, if so i would Really like to know what they said.

adam ant,
Hey there, my gm icq'd me and told me bout your Angel Island idea. Fantastic, i really like it. Even though I'm not a red, i'm still in favor of it. Stat loss is a little extreme of a punishment, even more so now that they have a worry free safe zone in trammel. Might even be fun to go red and do some time, role play the prison life, need more people like you on this game. Maybe i'll come visit you all, take it easy and keep up the good work.